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- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Copyright page
- Contents
- Illustration and Tables
- Places of Original Publication
- Preface
- Editions and Abbreviations
- Introduction to Volume 1: Greek Poetry before 400 BC
- 1 Early Greek Elegy, Symposium and Public Festival (1986)
- 2 One That Got Away: Archilochus frr. 188–92 and Horace Odes 1.4 and 5 (1987)
- 3 Miles ludens? The Problem of Martial Exhortation in Early Greek Elegy ()
- 4 Lies, Fiction and Slander in Early Greek Poetry (1993)
- 5 Greek Table-Talk before Plato (1993)
- 6 The Theognidea: a Step towards a Collection of Fragments? (1997)
- 7 Early Greek Iambic Poetry: the Importance of Narrative (2001)
- 8 Ancestors of Historiography in Early Greek Elegiac and Iambic Poetry? ()
- 9 Sympotic Praise (2002)
- 10 Early Expatriates: Displacement and Exile in Archaic Poetry ()
- 11 From Archaic Elegy to Hellenistic Sympotic Epigram? (2007)
- 12 Sex and Politics in Archilochus’ Poetry (2008)
- 13 Wandering Poets, Archaic Style (2009)
- 14 Epigram as Narration (2010)
- 15 Historical Narrative in Archaic and Early Classical Greek Elegy (2010)
- 16 Stobaeus and Early Greek Melic, Elegiac and Iambic Poetry (2010)
- 17 Marathon in Fifth-Century Epigram (2010)
- 18 The Trojan War in Early Greek Melic, Iambic and Elegiac Poetry (2010)
- 19 Performing and Re-performing Helen:Stesichorus’ Palinode (2010)
- 20 Simonides of Eretria (redivivus?) (2010)
- 21 Alcman’s First Partheneion and the Song the Sirens sang (2011)
- 22 An Early Chapter in the History of the Theognidea (2012)
- 23 Stesichorus and Ibycus: Plain Tales from the Western Front (2012)
- 24 Epinicians and ‘Patrons’ (2012)
- 25 Unnatural Selection: Expurgation of Greek Melic, Elegiac and Iambic Poetry (2012)
- 26 Marathon, the 1500 Days after: Culture and Politics (2013)
- 27 The Sympotic Tease (2013)
- 28 Rediscovering Sacadas (2014)
- 29 Stesichorus’ Geryoneis and Greeks in the West (2014)
- 30 Stesichorus at Athens (2015)
- 31 Cultic Contexts for Elegiac Performance? (2016)
- 32 Quo usque tandem? How long were Sympotic Songs? (2016)
- 33 How did Sappho’s Songs get into the Male Sympotic Repertoire? (2016)
- 34 The Performance Contexts of Trochaic Tetrameters Catalectic (2018)
- 35 Alcaeus’ stasiotica: Catullan and Horatian Readings (2019)
- 36 Reconfiguring Archilochus: How have Papyri and Inscriptions changed Perceptions of Archilochus’ Iambic and Elegiac Poetry? (2020)
- Bibliography
- Index Locorum
- Index of Greek Terms
- General Index
5 - Greek Table-Talk before Plato (1993)
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 11 December 2021
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture
- Copyright page
- Contents
- Illustration and Tables
- Places of Original Publication
- Preface
- Editions and Abbreviations
- Introduction to Volume 1: Greek Poetry before 400 BC
- 1 Early Greek Elegy, Symposium and Public Festival (1986)
- 2 One That Got Away: Archilochus frr. 188–92 and Horace Odes 1.4 and 5 (1987)
- 3 Miles ludens? The Problem of Martial Exhortation in Early Greek Elegy ()
- 4 Lies, Fiction and Slander in Early Greek Poetry (1993)
- 5 Greek Table-Talk before Plato (1993)
- 6 The Theognidea: a Step towards a Collection of Fragments? (1997)
- 7 Early Greek Iambic Poetry: the Importance of Narrative (2001)
- 8 Ancestors of Historiography in Early Greek Elegiac and Iambic Poetry? ()
- 9 Sympotic Praise (2002)
- 10 Early Expatriates: Displacement and Exile in Archaic Poetry ()
- 11 From Archaic Elegy to Hellenistic Sympotic Epigram? (2007)
- 12 Sex and Politics in Archilochus’ Poetry (2008)
- 13 Wandering Poets, Archaic Style (2009)
- 14 Epigram as Narration (2010)
- 15 Historical Narrative in Archaic and Early Classical Greek Elegy (2010)
- 16 Stobaeus and Early Greek Melic, Elegiac and Iambic Poetry (2010)
- 17 Marathon in Fifth-Century Epigram (2010)
- 18 The Trojan War in Early Greek Melic, Iambic and Elegiac Poetry (2010)
- 19 Performing and Re-performing Helen:Stesichorus’ Palinode (2010)
- 20 Simonides of Eretria (redivivus?) (2010)
- 21 Alcman’s First Partheneion and the Song the Sirens sang (2011)
- 22 An Early Chapter in the History of the Theognidea (2012)
- 23 Stesichorus and Ibycus: Plain Tales from the Western Front (2012)
- 24 Epinicians and ‘Patrons’ (2012)
- 25 Unnatural Selection: Expurgation of Greek Melic, Elegiac and Iambic Poetry (2012)
- 26 Marathon, the 1500 Days after: Culture and Politics (2013)
- 27 The Sympotic Tease (2013)
- 28 Rediscovering Sacadas (2014)
- 29 Stesichorus’ Geryoneis and Greeks in the West (2014)
- 30 Stesichorus at Athens (2015)
- 31 Cultic Contexts for Elegiac Performance? (2016)
- 32 Quo usque tandem? How long were Sympotic Songs? (2016)
- 33 How did Sappho’s Songs get into the Male Sympotic Repertoire? (2016)
- 34 The Performance Contexts of Trochaic Tetrameters Catalectic (2018)
- 35 Alcaeus’ stasiotica: Catullan and Horatian Readings (2019)
- 36 Reconfiguring Archilochus: How have Papyri and Inscriptions changed Perceptions of Archilochus’ Iambic and Elegiac Poetry? (2020)
- Bibliography
- Index Locorum
- Index of Greek Terms
- General Index
Summary
We shall never be able to write a reliable history of the dinner-table conversation of archaic and classical Greece. There was no vehicle that might accurately record conversation in prose. We can, however, get tantalisingly near to ancient table-talk by a number of routes. We can attempt access by way of Platonic dialogue, above all the Symposium, or by way of the works of Xenophon, along which it is again his Symposium that is richest. But from the start we must suspect that there is a distortion in the attitudes and utterances of the character whom these works attempt to heroise (i.e. Socrates), and that this distortion must affect the discourse of other characters too. A different route is offered by other genres in which a narrative or mimetic account is given of a δεῖπνον, ‘banquet’, or συμπόσιον, ‘symposium’. Such narrative accounts, spread over a long chronological span, are found in epic, history, pastoral poetry, epistles and the novel; mimetic representations are to be found in comedy. But again we must remember the stylisation that results from the genre and the distortion that may follow from the author’s purpose.
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- Essays on Ancient Greek Literature and Culture , pp. 119 - 134Publisher: Cambridge University PressPrint publication year: 2021