In a notice of Knecht's new edition of the Ciris to appear in due course in the Classical Review, I was able to commend the book only in one respect: that it provided copious information on largely neglected recentiores. For the first time all the manuscripts which have ever been considered possibly significant for the text of the Ciris were assembled and fully reported in one place. However, this mass of information was ill-digested: the conclusions drawn from it were vague, or inadequately argued – or simply wrong; and much was left unsaid. But I thought that the results towards which Knecht's work pointed were interesting and that it would be a pity if they remained obscured. Since to clarify them involved more space than a review allowed, I offer the following short paper. Necessarily it will have some of the appearance of a review article; but I shall try to make it as self-contained as possible. Knecht never once ventures a stemma – in my remarks I shall have in mind Goodyear's stemma on p. 99 of the OCT Appendix.