C. F. Raymond: Is there an explanation of the zone of coarse-grained ice lying just above the 100 m transition boundary?
W. F. Budd: Yes, the upper transition layer corresponds to the transition region between the ablation areas on the Lambert Glacier and the accumulation area on the Amery Ice Shelf. Large melt pools form on the Lambert Glacier in summer. These freeze in winter. This could give rise to the large crystals.
J. W. Glen: Is the small-grained ice at the top of the middle layer consistent with the top of the ablation zone of the Lambert Glacier?
R. Leb. Hooke: The fine ice at the top of the middle layer is very similar to superimposed ice on the Barnes Ice Cap. This could have formed on the lower reaches of the Lambert Glacier where some ablation occurs.
I was interested in the systematic increase in number of poles in the fabric with increase in grain size. This also occurs in deformed superimposed ice at the margin of the Barnes Ice Cap, at about the same temperature. In the Barnes situation, stress inhomogeneities probably cannot be responsible for the change in fabric because the changes occur over a depth interval of only a few meters, and the bands of coarse ice alternate with bands of finer ice.
Budd: The small grain size is correct for superimposed ice.
As regards the crystal orientations in the Lambert ice section, the fabrics reflect the past stress history of the ice over long periods of time during which it has passed through different situations with resultant overprinting. This seems to be consistent with the observed strainrates along the line of flow.
As regards the Barnes Ice Cap, it is difficult to comment without knowing the past stress or strain histories of the layers. If the layers have different fabric patterns then they probably have different flow properties and may have had different deformation or annealing histories.
Raymond: Could you clarify the nature of the c-axis fabric of the frozen sea-water in the lower layer. This is interesting, since you are proposing that freezing takes place by removal of heat into the water rather than through the ice as occurs in formation of sea ice. The c-axis fabric might be affected by this difference.
Budd: Slow-freezing fresh-water ice generally has c-axis vertical in contrast to sea ice with c-axis horizontal. Reference PalosuoPalosuo (1961) states that a salinity of about 0.6 parts per thousand separates these two situations. The low salinity of the Amery ice suggests that it was formed from water of lower salinity than this.
G. DE. Q. Robin: How does water freeze on the bottom of the ice shelf?
Budd: The following picture has developed. The Soviet Antarctic Expedition soundings in front of the icc shelf for salinity, temperature and depth suggest a clockwise circulation in front of and under the shelf. Melting takes place at the outer edge of the shelf. This cools the seawater, which is already near the freezing point, and liberates comparatively fresh water which, because of the lower salinity, is less dense. (At these temperatures salinity rather than temperature primarily controls the density.) This cool, fresh water mixes with the sea-water but remains near the surface as the stream moves further under the shelf. Here a small amount of heat flows into the ice shelf along the small temperature gradient. This is enough to initiate freezing. This freezing liberates salt which tends to make the boundary-layer water more saline and therefore more dense. This sets up a vertical circulation which keeps the process going and removes most of the latent heat liberated by freezing. Because freezing predominates over melting, the water becomes warmer and more saline. Thus, the water on the western side coming out from under the shelf is more saline and warmer than the water on the eastern side, especially at the lower levels. This is confirmed by the Soviet soundings. In addition the magnitudes correspond to those calculated from the freezing and melting under the shelf, as deduced from the analysis of the particle paths computed for the ice shelf in conjunction with the measured ice thickness.
W. S. B. Paterson: What is the explanation of the zero value of the oxygen isotope ratio at a depth of about 260 m?
Budd: The zero δ180 value at 260 m refers to a layer about 0.5 m thick and is believed to be from sea-water frozen in a bottom crevasse formed near the hinge line of the Lambert Glacier- Amery Ice Shelf boundary.
Paterson: From the oxygen isotope profile, there did not appear to be any ice from the last glaciation. Has such ice been removed by bottom melting in the Lambert Glacier?
Budd: There has been considerable longitudinal strain from the inland ice sheet to the Lambert Glacier. This would thin the cold isotope layer substantially so that the considerable melt expected while travelling down the Lambert could then remove it.