Methods to obtain tensile stress-strain properties of materials from a practically non-destructive indentation test are of great industrial interest. However, to do this successfully, indentation size effects must be accounted for. Many indentation size effects, such as strain gradient plasticity and micro-pillar experiments , show a size dependence proportional to the inverse square root of a length scale, in common with Hall-Petch behavior. Recently, however, the indentation size effect from small radius spherical indenters has been shown, for a range of fcc metals, not to follow a Hall-Petch-like relationship but to be proportional to the inverse cube root of indenter radius . Here, we investigate these differences further and present results for the indentation size effect with spherical indenters on Cu samples that have been engineered to have different grain sizes. The important experimental control parameter of the relative size of the indentation compared to the grain size is also explored since the cross over from grains significantly smaller than the contact radius to grains significantly larger than the contact radius occurs at different length scales in each sample. A thorough understanding of the various length-scale effects in the different test methods (e.g. the indentation size effect and grain size effect in indentation), is essential if a relationship, robust enough for industrial application, is to be defined to obtain tensile properties from an essentially non-destructive indentation test.