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Nietzsche on Thucydidean Realism

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  02 July 2015

David Polansky
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Abstract

It is now conventional in both pedagogical and scholarly venues to characterize Thucydides as a “realist.” Few, however, have noted that the first major writer to describe him in these terms is not Machiavelli or Hobbes (alongside whom he is frequently placed), but Friedrich Nietzsche. This article seeks to investigate the particular character of Thucydides's realism through a close reading of Nietzsche's discussions of Thucydides and his History. Three interpretations are explored: realism as a mode of investigating or understanding the world, realism as a set of ideas about the possibilities of establishing grounds for justice in the world, and realism as a matter of character.

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The Review of Politics , Volume 77 , Issue 3 , Summer 2015 , pp. 425 - 448
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Copyright © University of Notre Dame 2015 

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86 Ibid., 49, 93, 121.

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